Who does the Indian Represent?

Khris Sun, October 31, 2010 - 3:37 PM by Khris

I see a lot of Indian statues sometimes in peoples house, sometimes in the botanica. Indian spirit. My grandfather even had a metal candle holder that when you place a candle in it the metal heated up and shown the picture of an indian

What does this indian spirit represent

Taino Indians?

also medallo de indio they sell that at botanicas too

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SangoBaby Sun, October 31, 2010 - 10:54 PM by SangoBaby

the spirit black hawk the watcher.... or people will tell u that u must always pay respect to native americans. because this is their land. eggun taught me to salute the 4 winds and the native americans before eggun ... it is believed that u should always have something dedicatted to native american on ur eggun tble.. may the princess Pocahantas bless u my african brotha..

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ORUMILA Mon, November 1, 2010 - 7:27 PM by ORUMILA


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CC Mon, November 1, 2010 - 11:55 PM by CC

indians are indians to me...spirits that come in many forms due to the tribes they walk and have come from..they come to do diffrent things with in the spirit world..u see..the indians beleave in coming other words dieing and still coming back in spirit form..animal form or re do their life on earth..the tricky part of indian spirits..u dont know how many times they have come back..and it dont mean they come back as indians ether*(wink).;-)

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CC Mon, November 1, 2010 - 11:57 PM by CC

Taino indians.Taíno Indians, a subgroup of the Arawakan Indians (a group of American Indians in northeastern South America), inhabited the Greater Antilles (comprising Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola [Haiti and the Dominican Republic], and Puerto Rico) in the Caribbean Sea at the time when Christopher Columbus' arrived to the New World.

The Taíno culture impressed both the Spanish (who observed it) and modern sociologists. The Arawakan achievements included construction of ceremonial ball parks whose boundaries were marked by upright stone dolmens, development of a universal language, and creation of a complicated religious cosmology. There was a hierarchy of deities who inhabited the sky; Yocahu was the supreme Creator. Another god, Jurakán, was perpetually angry and ruled the power of the hurricane. Other mythological figures were the gods Zemi and Maboya. The zemis, a god of both sexes, were represented by icons in the form of human and animal figures, and collars made of wood, stone, bones, and human remains. Taíno Indians believed that being in the good graces of their zemis protected them from disease, hurricanes, or disaster in war. They therefore served cassava (manioc) bread as well as beverages and tobacco to their zemis as propitiatory offerings. Maboyas, on the other hand, was a nocturnal deity who destroyed the crops and was feared by all the natives, to the extent that elaborate sacrifices were offered to placate him.

Myths and traditions were perpetuated through ceremonial dances (areytos), drumbeats, oral traditions, and a ceremonial ball game played between opposing teams (of 10 to 30 players per team) with a rubber ball; winning this game was thought to bring a good harvest and strong, healthy children.

The Taíno Indians lived in theocratic kingdoms and had a hierarchically arranged chiefs or caciques. The Taínos were divided in three social classes: the naborias (work class), the nitaínos or sub-chiefs and noblemen which includes the bohiques or priests and medicine men and the caciques or chiefs, each village or yucayeque had one.

At the time Juan Ponce de León took possession of the Island, there were about twenty villages or yucayeques, Cacique Agüeybana, was chief of the Taínos. He lived at Guánica, the largest Indian village in the island, on the Guayanilla River. The rank of each cacique apparently was established along democratic lines; his importance in the tribe being determined by the size of his clan, rather than its war-making strength. There was no aristocracy of lineage, nor were their titles other than those given to individuals to distinguish their services to the clan.

Their complexion were bronze-colored, average stature, dark, flowing, coarse hair, and large and slightly oblique dark eyes. Men generally went naked or wore a breech cloth, called nagua, single women walked around naked and married women an apron to over their genitals, made of cotton or palm fibers. The length of which was a sign of rank. Both sexes painted themselves on special occasions; they wore earrings, nose rings, and necklaces, which were sometimes made of gold. Taíno crafts were few; some pottery and baskets were made, and stone, marble and wood were worked skillfully.

Skilled at agriculture and hunting, then Taínos were also good sailors, fishermen, canoe makers, and navigators. Their main crops were cassava, garlic, potatoes, yautías, mamey, guava, and anón. They had no calendar or writing system, and could count only up to twenty, using their hands and feet. Their personal possessions consisted of wooden stools with four legs and carved backs, hammocks made of cotton cloth or string for sleeping, clay and wooden bowls for mixing and serving food, calabashes or gourds for drinking water and bailing out boats, and their most prized possessions, large dugout canoes, for transportation, fishing, and water sports.

Caciques lived in rectangular huts, called caneyes, located in the center of the village facing the batey. The naborias lived in round huts, called bohios. The construction of both types of building was the same: wooden frames, topped by straw, with earthen floor, and scant interior furnishing. But the buildings were strong enough to resist hurricanes. Its believed that Taíno settlements ranged from single families to groups of 3,000 people.

About 100 years before the Spanish invasion, the Taínos were challenged by an invading South American tribe - the Caribs . Fierce, warlike, sadistic, and adept at using poison-tipped arrows, they raided Taíno settlements for slaves (especially females) and bodies for the completion of their rites of cannibalism. Some ethnologists argue that the preeminence of the Taínos, shaken by the attacks of the Caribs, was already jeopardized by the time of the Spanish occupation. In fact, it was Caribs who fought the most effectively against the Europeans, their behavior probably led the Europeans to unfairly attribute warlike tendencies to all of the island's tribes. A dynamic tension between the Taínos and the Caribs certainly existed when the Christopher Columbus landed on Puerto Rico.

When the Spanish settlers first came in 1508, since there is no reliable documentation, anthropologists estimate their numbers to have been between 20,000 and 50,000, but maltreatment, disease, flight, and unsuccessful rebellion had diminished their number to 4,000 by 1515; in 1544 a bishop counted only 60, but these too were soon lost.

At their arrival the Spaniards expected the Taíno Indians to acknowledge the sovereignty of the king of Spain by payment of gold tribute, to work and supply provisions of food and to observe Christian ways. The Taínos rebelled most notably in 1511, when several caciques (Indian leaders) conspired to oust the Spaniards. They were joined in this uprising by their traditional enemies, the Caribs. Their weapons, however, were no match against Spanish horses and firearms and the revolt was soon ended brutally by the Spanish forces of Governor Juan Ponce de León.

In order to understand Puerto Rico's prehistoric era, it is important to know that the Taínos, far more than the Caribs, contributed greatly to the everyday life and language that evolved during the Spanish occupation. Taíno place names are still used for such towns as Utuado, Mayagüez, Caguas, and Humacao, among others.

Many Taíno implements and techniques were copied directly by the Europeans, including the bohío (straw hut) and the hamaca (hammock), the musical instrument known as the maracas, and the method of making cassava bread. Many Taino words persist in the Puerto Rican vocabulary of today. Names of plants, trees and fruits includes: maní, leren, ají, yuca, mamey, pajuil, pitajaya, cupey, tabonuco and ceiba. Names of fish, animals and birds includes: mucaro, guaraguao, iguana, cobo, carey, jicotea, guabina, manati, buruquena and juey. As well as other objects and instruments: güiro, bohío, batey, caney, hamaca, nasa, petate, coy, barbacoa, batea, cabuya, casabe and canoa. Other words were passed not only into Spanish, but also into English, such as huracan (hurricane) and hamaca (hammock). Also, many Taíno superstitions and legends were adopted and adapted by the Spanish and still influence the Puerto Rican imagination.

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Khris Tue, November 2, 2010 - 1:37 AM by Khris

that was on an anthropologist level. I have some small figuros from Puerto Rico that suppose to represent Taino Indians. One of them is an old man Indian holding up a wooden cross and he gives off a peacemaker vibe. But the cross is not like a Christian cross its made of sticks of equal length and then times I've been to Puerto Rico I see the entrance to caves with the same type of cross on it. I was thinking maybe it was a Taino thing or maybe it was just a cross to represent God to be there.

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Anthony Tue, November 2, 2010 - 7:10 AM by Anthony

What is the best way to service a indian

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Ziggyroc Tue, November 2, 2010 - 7:29 AM by Ziggyroc

The cross you speak of is the oldest religious symbol known to man.
It has many meanings
However the most popular one is the symbol that of the four corners or the four winds.
Its still a popular symbol today.


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Omo Baba Sat, November 6, 2010 - 9:06 PM by Omo Baba

indians are part of your cuadro spiritual now finding where the indian came is another and it is given to you in a misa de investigacion on my case I have an aztec indian and the offerings you give them is tea. your indiant was a hunter with a bow and arrow and is your warrior in yhis life he fights all your battles. Also get a dream catcher as well when you go to the botanica the indian that attracts you that catches your eye imediately then you know thats your indian they like red flowers tobbaco and tea and their candle

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Wed, November 10, 2010 - 8:04 PM by Unsubsc...

Mine is an Indio con la Flecha as well. He is a plains indian, not sure which tribe yet, but he takes corn, loves tobacco and always has sunflowers. He cleans with bunches of Alamo and/or Paraiso.

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Turquoise Blue Fri, November 12, 2010 - 1:06 AM by Turquoi...

Hi, Khris (Waving @ Everyone on the the thread)

I'd just like to add to the discussion that for many of us, regardless of race,
The First Nations, indigenous inhabitants, are actually (known and unknown)
family members/egun.

Which may explain why they are so prevalent in some of our cuadros.

What I also find interesting is that some of us have Chinese, as well as other Asian
influences our cuadros.

How you ask? Well, back in the early 1900's, many Chinese/East Indians came to the Caribbean,
so its no surprise that they appear as spiritual entities for some of us.

See ya.

Be the Peace & Love you desire!!! :o)


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Sara Sat, November 13, 2010 - 7:12 AM by Sara

Beautifully written CC!