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La Madama

topic posted Tue, June 26, 2007 - 8:15 AM by  Nutmeg
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Greetings to Everyone,

I would like to know if anyone could tell me or refer me to a text that explains who exactly La Madama is. I was told to keep her in my home for protection and for tough situation solving. I started with a small statue and have since made my own. I was a dream that urged me to make my own. I must say, that requesting her assistance has always resulted with the truth being told or shown to me quickly. La Madama does not fool around. But I have always had trouble finding history about her. Could someone please help me?
Blessings
Nutmeg
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  • Re: La Madama

    Sat, August 18, 2007 - 7:54 PM
    yeah u wont find much but she was an african slave she that tough sassy black grandma that will strike u if u dare breathe if she tells u not to but she is quick blunt stron well worth it
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    Re: La Madama

    Wed, September 5, 2007 - 8:41 AM
    La Madama is the spirit of an African slave who was very powerful. She has reached the status of revered Egun. In my Ile Orisha, one of my jobs is to prepare and feed the Egun on Saturday mornings. She is a very potent spiritual guide, and as such needs to be venerated. I have yet to go into the house of an Omo Orisha that does not have a statue to her and to Franchesco/la Negro Jose, who seems to be her male counterpart. Can give advice on caring for her, but beyond that, I don't know much about her, yet. Sorry.
    • Re: La Madama

      Tue, December 25, 2007 - 10:13 AM
      Hi I'm new to this list .I found my way here looking for words about La Madama .I could use some advice on how to care for her. I'm willing to talk on or off list. Carold
  • Re: La Madama

    Thu, December 6, 2007 - 10:41 AM
    la madama is not only of what u have read...but also takes place of a women spirit that comes with u in this life time...each and every one of us has a spirit of a madama...this is also just a name they give a women spirit that protects u..just like a congo...or an indio.and so on.....its just a title given..so a person can have some understanding...all madama's are not african...but the root of that name..MADAMA..yes..! came from the 1st africa women spirit.
    • Re: La Madama

      Wed, February 6, 2008 - 10:33 AM
      La Madama is one of many archetypal spirits within the pantheon of Caribbean/Latin American Spiritism. She represents the female force within the family unit and is also known as “La Negra”, or “La Conga”. Historically her representation is derived from that of the “house slave” ie. the slave responsible for the caring of master’s family, well-being etc. In Espiritismo she manifests as a strong female spirit who fiercely protect their children. She helps with maintaining finances, family, foundation, cleansings etc. Her male counterpart is usually what is referred to as the “Congo”, “Ta Jose” or the “Negro”.

      Is it important to note that while these archetypes do manifest on a regular basis, we do NOT all have a madama in our spiritual court or frame (cuadro espirtual). Just like not everyone has an Indio or a Gypsy etc. If you do happen to have a madama, speak to her and meditate with her. Ask her what she works with and likes becasue no two madamas are exactly the same. In many Lukumi houses she is revered in their practice of Espiritismo, but please remember that Espiritismo and Lukumi are separate practices and not necessarily dependent upon one another. Within the Lukumi there are many ways to worship Egun and Spiritualism is a practice all on its own.

      Spirit
      • Re: La Madama

        Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:36 AM
        well....? my congo is not named jose or negro...and my madama,,dose not go by the name of negra......so i agree and dis-agree..but to each-is own..........i dont speak on book terms-on history people felt we should learn from....its good..so ones mind can be open.....i speak on experience..and that go's by working ur eggun..im 38 years old and ive worked it since the age of 9..and the history back round my madama has told me-that shes come with and shes from..is not from africa,,but haiti...like i stated..the word Madama is just a term..used for spirit lady that protects one...hay.....but like i stated...to each-is own..
        respect to all...keep learning and be open to all mysterys and teaching of our spiritual path.
        ps..what i mean work with eggun..is to sweat with it!,,not just pray and light candles..;-)
        • Re: La Madama

          Wed, February 6, 2008 - 1:01 PM

          Maybe my last response was unclear. Let me try again.

          You make some good points, but let me reiterate the fact that i used the term “archetypal” because like you said, these names are just titles...categories, if you will. so not every madama would be called negra and not every congo is a Jose (which is why your madama would not necessarily be La Negra and your congo’s name does not have to be Jose, LOL). That was my point. my madama happens to refer to herself as La Negra, and I know many other spiritualists who’s madamas do the same. My congo is not a Jose either for the record, but these are some general categories that these particular Egun fall under. Essentially you and I are saying the same thing. The term “Madama” is exactly that-a term-not a definitive name for a spirit. Some spiritualists call their Madama Mama Francisca also. This varies.

          As for book terms, my experience does not come from those. I have been a working spiritualist for years also and that is where my opinions come from. Because of my experiences with Egun I have done the research historically in order to ascertain where the roots of these practices originated., so I definitely agree with you on that point. I do not base my concept of the past on modern-day His-Story. Please do not confuse my very theological approach to my practice book knowledge only.

          Also, I consider myself as well as my madama African (although she is from Cuba) because in my opinion we are all african, even if it is by way of the carribbean.

          You are absolutely right about the working of Egun though...it goes way beyond lighting candles and praying, although those are essential fundamental elements of it.

          Light and love,
          Spirit
      • Re: La Madama

        Thu, February 7, 2008 - 8:48 PM
        Spirt i know a drum rhythm called la conga that I will play for my La Madama. She sit in the south in one of our rooms in a sea of coweri shells on top of a piece of mud cloth with other things around her. My little baby likes to play near her.Thank you for your words. Carold
        • Re: La Madama

          Fri, February 8, 2008 - 6:22 AM
          Isn't that interesting, My "madama" sits on a bed of coweri shells too...;0)
          • Re: La Madama

            Fri, February 8, 2008 - 4:46 PM
            Odokemi I had planed to make a vest that I would wear when I played my drum but they seam at home where they sit. Carold
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    Re: La Madama

    Fri, December 7, 2007 - 5:01 PM
    La Madama is a figure from Espiritismo. not Lukumi (Santeria). She would be within the boveda, and not the ritual spaces of one's personal ancestors or orisha. She is part of the commissions, which are prominent in espiritista practice especially in eastern Cuba, where spiritualist practices are more grounded in African religious traditions than in Scientific Spiritism. The commissions are representative of specific groups of peoples, nations, really, and reflect the background of the Cuban people. There is a Chinese commission, a Kongo commission, a Native American commission and so on, and each specializes in specific types of work and carry a sort of generalized rather than specific or individualized ancestral energy.

    Most Lukumi people have a grounding in Espiritismo, but not all do, since it's not part of Lukumi practice.

    Madamas are generally created for an individual; I don't think it's something you can just go to a store and buy ready-made.
    • Re: La Madama

      Thu, January 3, 2008 - 8:20 AM
      You can buy the statue from most botanicas, i'm not sure if she has to be "feed" in order to call her La Madama. For me what and how she is used depends on the person. I’m an African American woman who does not practice Espiritismo but her image is part of my ancestral lineage. I purchased a statue recently, she sits with my Eggun and my Eggun are happy with her presence. She looks like / is the women who came before me.
      For some she is part of a boveda but I don't practice in Cuba. I recognize her energy as big momma, auntie or nana spirits of those who came before me and she is part of our ancestral court.
      She is serious, in a very loving way. I would suggest that you talk to her, ask her who she is and what she wants and then listen to the thoughts that pop in to your mind and act accordingly.
      • Re: La Madama

        Fri, February 8, 2008 - 9:21 AM
        Big mama?;-) thats sweet...alot of people by the statue...i made mine...and make many that need it of cloth...but the statue is good..i just feel when u make them...u can fill her up with her secretes in side..things that she comes with......but i've seen so many beautifull statues of that madama...they have the real big now..well out here in NY...dressed in so many diffrent colors..but 1 thing i must agree on..The spirit of the Madama holds so many mysterys...its beautifull.
    • Re: La Madama

      Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:07 AM
      you know what sue ... i have to recant my last statement. I *thought* I was buying the Madama for my Egun but it is turning out not to be true. After sitting with my Ellegba recently I was told that she should not sit with Egun any more, and that I need to create a seperate space for Madama and other spirit guides. It's amazing when things begin to open up. ;0)

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