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Ruben — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:09:25 GMT

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Trying to get back to my roots

Lady E — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:14:34 GMT

Hello all,

My name is Erika. I'm 26 years old. I come from a Nuyorican family. My Mothers family has always practiced Santeria. Now you would think I could go to them for help but I can not. When I was in my teen age years I went to a few tambos with them but I had a very bad falling out with my tia's. Which lead me to distance myself from Santeria and my family. My mother is no long sane and refuses to tell or teach me any more then what I already know.

I went to NY see a friend of my fathers in March a few days before my 26 bithday. He spoke with the saints. He said what a practiced was not Santeria. To me he looked and dressed like a Babalawo. He even called some of his saints by there Orisha names. Any way, he spoke to me in his room surrounded by statues of lots of saints and after my reading asked me which one did I feel was calling me. From the moment I walked into his room there was this one statue of a black man with his legs closed a red lone cloth and gold crown on his head. I felt drawn to this one for some reason. I was to embarrassed to say so, not knowing if he was a saint or not. I told him I did not know. He then told me he saw St. Gabriel in me. The next day I asked my mother about this statue and she told me it was Chango. She also told me that at the last tambo I had went to a women who had me told my mother that I was child of Chango, among other things.

I have this feeling like something is missing in my life. I know this is the religion of my family and our people. I want to embrace it whole heartedly and I definitely want to know if I am a child of Chango but living here in Greensboro, NC I can not find a Botanica anywhere! I figured from there I would find a Babalawo and continue my journey. I going to keep praying about and hopefully I will get the help I need.

I look forward to hearing any thoughts or ideas from you all.

Erika

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Santeria in DC

cornel — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:39:44 GMT

Right now I am cautiously checking out the Santeria "scene" in the DC area. I have gone to some of the Botanicas in the area and I've started reading some books and praying for guidance. I already consider myself a "spiritual person" (for lack of a better phrase), and I feel very drawn to the Orishas. They seem so alive and vibrant - but at the same time very Divine! I am not in a hurry and I feel no sense of immediate urgency - more like a deep longing. I would greatly appreciate any advice, especially based on first hand knowledge from people in this geographic area.

Right now I am assuming that the best way to proceed is to check out the Botanicas and then get a consultation from one or more places that has a good "feel". How does that sound for a plan?

Please feel free to contact me directly - or to post a public reply. Thanks!!

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"nunca muerte" santeria medicinal plant identification?

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:45:05 GMT

a friend recently asked me if I knew anything about
" nunca muerte " , an allegedly medicinal plant.

I had never heard of such a thing, nor did a search yield any results.

she told me that on her trip through south america, she had been given a single
leaf of it by (in her words) "a santeria medicine woman" and told that is was called
nunca muerte, meaning -never dead- .
nearly two weeks later she returned home and put the leaf in a pot and watered it
and it became a whole new plant.

the plant in the included picture is what happened when she kept another leaf in
shallow water for a month.

she was told nothing more than that it was "good medicine" and to eat it or make tea,
and got the impression it was highly regarded.

do you know what this plant might be?

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/cp0ff/ethnobots/neverdie.jpg

thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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A new website for the orisa community

OchunIbuAkuaro — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:44:17 GMT

Alafia, Iboru Iboye , Motumba axe, Nsala Maleko , bendicion mayores and menores ...

whew I hope I covered it !! lol

I wanted to invite you to a new site made for santero/as and Olorishas and this that practice orisa worship..

It is very much like myspace.com

We have

Build your own homepage
Bulletins
groups
main forums
LIVE chat
Shout Box
Online store ..(coming soon )
classifieds
video uploading and downloading
Myspace comments can be made
Music
Galleries
Blogging

and much more to offer

come check us out !!

www.santerianetworking.com

A place for our community to grow and network !

Hope to see you there !!

woofy ..aka OTA OMI olo ochun

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Nee Help me with my ability

Yanira — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:32:04 GMT

Hi my name is yani and i've been to get consulted before and was told that i have the ability to work on santeria. Since at a young age i've been very intersted with making madama dolls the male and female but never knew why. How can i embrace it more to open up more to it.

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Need Work Done in NYC area

Danielle — Wed, 28 May 2008 21:58:09 GMT

I am looking to have some work done and reside in NYC. Please contact me if you can help. My email address is justmee06@yahoo.com. Thanx :-)

**Efficient and serious replies only**

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Speaking of Introductions

kevin — Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:29:01 GMT

Alafia and blessings to you all,
I wanted to come out of the shadows and introduce myself as i am loving all of the wonderful discussion on this tribe. My name is Kevin. Within Ifa my name is Omi Sakin Ifawole Zannu. I am a Priest of Yemoja and a member of Ile Oyigiyigi here in Dallas,Tx. My friend and good pal Dominic from this list introduced me to this tribe. You all seem like a great group of people and I look forward to networking with you all. Especially those of you in Texas.

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Iyawo Soon

lourdes — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:46:07 GMT

I will be crowned w/ Obatala in May. Any advice anyone can give me as to what to expect the first year or the days leading up to my ocha. Of course, without divulging any secrets.

Thanks!

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Yemaya Agana...

YemayaAgana — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:03:17 GMT

Bedicion santeros y mayores

So this is my first posting...and I would like to know if anyone shares the same path of my Yemaya, Agana? and Does anyone know what her collar/beads are composed of?

Thanks,
Iyawo

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Im new to the group and an Iyawo

YemayaAgana — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:43:21 GMT

Hello all I would just like to introduce myself..Im an iyawo crowned Yemaya path Ibu Agana and my father is Obatala..my rama is Pimienta con Coral..

just looking to share ideas and experiences with other Iyawo's or santeros..

Bendicion and Alafia..
Iyawo

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Orunmila

Lucille — Mon, 12 May 2008 04:38:58 GMT

I am wondering about something for a while. I have always wondered a few things about Orunmila, the orisha of the babalawos. I want to know if I would be out of line if I was to set up a shrine for him in my house. I mean I pray the the Seven African Powers, of which he is a member. I am not tring to work with the opele, or the Table of Ifa, Its just that I have been wondering if setting up an altar to him would be beneficial, and so my question is whether or not non-baba;awos can even pray and invoke hispatronage.

Any help would be very much obliged.

Lucie

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osain

Omo-Elegua — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:40:48 GMT

ok well im making
ilekes and i have a question maybe someone can help me
does anyone here know what colors would be needed
for a collar of osain and if there is any particular pattern
thanks

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Any santeras in the southern us?

Lucille — Sun, 04 May 2008 07:00:22 GMT

For extremely personal reasons, I am trying to find a new madrina or padrino. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that I live in Arkansas, which seems to detect those who have made the saint the minute they cross state line and immediately eject them back out.
If anyone knows of a practicing Santera or Santero in Arkansas, or even one of the states that border it, please let me know...I would be much obliged for any help.

Ashe,
Lucie

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N. Bergen mom, son in Santeria arrest

Seven — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:45:15 GMT

N. Bergen mom, son in Santeria arrest
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
By KEN THORBOURNE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

In what authorities say was part of a Santeria ritual, a North Bergen woman and her son have been charged with dumping bags on a Spring Lake beach that contained decapitated chickens, ducks, Guinea hens and pigeons, as well as trash.

Diana Hernandez, 51, and her son, Alain Hernandez, 32, were each charged Monday with 10 counts of animal cruelty, said Victor "Buddy" Amato, chief of police for the Monmouth County Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Amato said both admitted they were carrying out a Santeria religious practice to create wealth and prosperity when a witness spotted them on Sunday night disposing of five bags on a Spring Lake beach.

The witness took down their license plate, which led police to them so quickly, Amato said.

Hernandez and her son came to the Spring Lake police station under their own volition with an attorney on Monday.

"They were very well mannered, very articulate, and very polite," Amato said.
Diana Hernandez, a santera, or leader in the religion, told authorities she and her son traveled to Spring Lake to dispose of the carcasses, because she was directed to by another santera.

Three of the five bags laid at shore's edge were swept out to sea by the tides. These charges are based on the two bags the police examined, Amato said.
Each count carries a $1,000 penalty and the cruelty to animals charge can carry up to six months in jail, Amato said. The mother and son are due in Spring Lake Municipal Court on May 21 at 9:30 a.m.

The mother and son may face additional charges for littering, said Spring Lake Police Capt. Marc Evangelista.

Santeria is a melding of Christian and African religious beliefs that sometimes uses the ritualistic sacrifice of animals in order to secure favors from its deities.

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Another Introduction ;0)

DosAguas — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:15:20 GMT

Hello everyone!! I am so glad to have found this tribe. I was acutally searching for Iyawo sites, white clothing ANYTHING!! and I found a link to the posts for "you know you are a Santero if..." I laughed so hard I got a headache! It was such a great relief for me to finally not feel so alone. I have been around this beautiful religion for most of my life and now it is time to totally cross over. Right now I am stressing to get everything ready for my Santo in June. So, if anyone knows of great places, I know you do ;0), to buy white everything PLEASE help. I'm in Metro Washington, D.C. area but doing all of my stuff with my family in Miami. Everything is so expensive but I know that it will all have been worth it in the end. Thank you y bendiciones a todos.

Dos Aguas

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Loved ones unhappy with cemetery Santería

Seven — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:38:49 GMT

I am very tired that everytime their is something in the news like this its Santeria. Its gets me upset that they blame Santeria or some other form of African tradition. Read Below:

Loved ones unhappy with cemetery Santería
07:29 PM CDT on Monday, March 24, 2008
By BOB GREENE / WFAA-TV
DALLAS - Cemetery Santeria: Rituals meant for prosperity in the afterlife.
But for people with loved ones buried at Oak Cliff's Five Mile Cemetery, it's just too much.

They tell News 8 they've seen everything from chickens burried alive up to their necks to bottles of blood placed near tombstones.
They say whoever is doing this needs to give it a rest so their loved ones can rest in peace.

There is history at Five Mile Cemetery; for the Norman family, three generations are buried here.

"See, that's my mother and daddy," said Faye Ann Norman. "That's very disturbing that someone is bothering your loved ones graves."

Stephanie Norman is livid. "I want to see it stopped," she said.

For more than a year, a group of people has been breaking the "no santeria" rules clearly stated on a sign at the cemetery's entrance.

They've trespassed onto the grounds and performed rituals akin to Santeria, a religious tradition started in western Africa and currently practiced in many
Caribbean and Latin countries.

"A lot of times, we find chickens that their heads have been pulled off... their feathers had been pulled out," Faye Ann said.

"There's chicken remains everywhere; there's blood," Stephanie added.
Theresa Bryant, who runs the cemetery, said this has been happening often. "Almost every week - I've caught them a couple of times," she said.

Bryant has called police, who even agreed to send extra patrols. "The police have been very accomodating, but they can't do it every day," she said.
With few other alternatives, Bryant, the Norman family and others are left to clean up the mess, hoping the unwanted visitors move on and the strange rituals cease.

"It's disrespecting my right to have my family rest in peace," Stephanie Norman said.

A Santeria expert in Miami told News 8 this very well could have been a tradition called curanderismo, a mixture of indigenous and Catholic practices from Mexico, where people often leave objects behind for the dead. It is often confused with Santeria.

Either way, police say, if the group is caught, they could face charges of criminal trespass.

E-mail bgreene@wfaa.com

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Santeria in Portland?

carcosa — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:26:25 GMT

So I went into a little botanica in North Portland and asked if they could refer me to a local santero so I could have my shells read and they looked at me like I was a crazy person, and said no, they didn't know of any.
I was surprised as it was a fairly well-stocked shop, are there no Santeria clergy in Portland?

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May Rain

Seven — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:39:52 GMT

In Puerto Rico they have a saying that the first rain in May is a good luck rain and that if you bath yourself it, all the bad vibes/evil eye will go away and luck with start to come. I remember when I was a little girl living on the island people would get out big buckets to collect the May rain for spells or cleanings. Now I have asked my mother where does this come from and she does not know. She told me that’s what her parents use to tell her to do. Has anyone here heard of this? And where does it come from?

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You might be a Santero If....(top ten)

Kevyn — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:15:58 GMT

1. You have actually had hen poop in your hair or on your FACE.

2. You watch people look at you weird when you say you use SEASHELLS to Talk to ROCKS that live in POTS. (Its ok though, because you can use 4 pieces of FRUIT to do the same thing).

3. You make a friend pull over because you saw the coolest stones just outside the mall and HAD to have them.

4. After an Osha you go into a 7-11 , look down after your purchase and realize you have a spot of gore on your shoe.

5. You are throwing Obi and hearing everyone giggle and not ONE godchild tells you the crack of your ass is hanging out.

6. You take a Iyawo to the river and end up getting wetter than they are.

7. You find a surprise in the basement in a bag that was suppossed to be gone a WEEK ago.

8. You need a whole room just dedicated to PLATES.

9. You feel queazy everytime you make an Elegba until you actually READ the toxic label on the cement!

10. You have put things in your mouth you never want to stick in there again!

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Hi My new found friends

Michael — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:00:41 GMT

My wife Tina and I are looking for a nice ritual for beltane can anyone give some good advice.
michael

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Skippy's Oils - Ellegua

leilah — Thu, 18 May 2006 04:58:37 GMT

Ok, I was unpacking a box that's been floating around the house and found a couple old skippy's oils. Square glass bottles, nothing too fancy. I've got like 5 drops left of the Ellegua oil, and I've always loved the smell. Does anyone else remember this stuff? Has it gone the way of the dodo, or is it still around somewhere? No one else's ever came close. I may just be doing searches with the wrong words, but it's like it fell off the face of the planet.

Any ideas?

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You know you might be a child of ***** if. . .

Dolly — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:15:18 GMT

--I noticed this line in the "You know you might be a santero if" thread. I'd love to hear what people have to say! I'm cheating, of course, because my head hasn't been marked yet, and other than purely jocular speculation--what my padrino calls the "orisha pool"--no one knows. Bids are going something like this:

Obatala: 6-5
Ogun: 5-1
Oya: 20-1
Yemaya: 20-1
The field: 50-1

So I know you can't really tell anything much from superficial characteristics. I'm just curious.

Dolly

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Professor Wande Abimbola, is the Awise Awo Agbaye (World Spokesperson for Ifa and Yoruba Religion).

afrohealer — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:43:48 GMT

You can read my original post here http://orisha.tribe.net/thread/5e0db53f-2ec3-4901-826e-4d0dcc285db4#b3ce83c6-a808-4a34-b2f1-e6fc4d1cc06f

I'm providing these resources so that other might learn about Orisha from credible sources.

Awise Awo Agbaye

Professor Wande Abimbola, is the Awise Awo Agbaye (World Spokesperson for Ifa and Yoruba Religion).
http://www.wandeabimbola.com/
From 2003—2005, he was the Special Adviser on Cultural Affairs and Traditional Matters to the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. He has served as the Vice Chancellor (i.e. President) of the University of Ife (now Obafemi Awolowo University), and has also served as the Majority Leader of the Senate of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. He was installed as Awise Awo Agbaye in 1981 by the Ooni of Ife on the recommendation of a conclave of Babalawos of Yorubaland in West Africa.

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Introducing Myself

William — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:46:08 GMT

Hello everyone,

I didn't see a thread for introductions, so please forgive me if I missed it. I was introduced to Santeria 15 years ago, but it's only been in the last year that I've taken the practice serously. I'm 37, male, of Amer. Indian/Norwegian background. I'm making an Alter for Oschun, does anyone have any suggestions? Apart from tureen, sunflowers, honey? Any suggestions, or feedback would be so helpful.

And, Hi, glad to meet you all!

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Hand of Ifa

Shawn — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:23:41 GMT

Alafia
Can someone tell me what the Hand of Ifa is? Why someone would get one? It came up in a reading I received. Thank you.

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Christianity Vs. the Old Gods of Nigeria

Afro — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:03:13 GMT

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20588292/from/ET

The link above is to an MSNBC news article that describes the destruction of ATR's in Nigeria, West Africa. It is dated September 4, 2007, just three days before the date of this post. This article is the first I can recall which describes this issue by a "major" Western media outlet.

Most of us who practice ATR's are taught and understand that the religious traditions we practice today were first practiced by black Africans. These traditions were brought to the Western hemisphere by black enslaved Africans. We are also taught that these traditions survived the ravages of slavery, racism and oppression by going underground and becoming secret. What we are not taught is that the persecution that our ancestors suffered has not stopped. It is also not unique to the Western hemisphere. After many years of missionary work in Africa, particularly by Western Christians, many black Africans have converted, either willfully or as a result of force and bribes, to Christianity and Islam. Typically what happens is a puppet regime with links to Western capitalist interests is put in power via organized violence backed by some Western interest. That regime, which typically has little to no interest in the well being of the people of the country then proceeds to implement policies that leave large numbers of its citizens poor or hungry. Then, as if by magic, Wester missionaries are allowed to enter the country and convert people by bribing them with provisions of food, clothing and money that the government is unable or unwilling to provide. In this way, Western interests and beliefs become accepted by indigenous people, and the old ways are forgotten or lost. But at what price?

Not only do missionaries enter these countries, but commercial interests as well. Commercial interests that are interested in making money off of everything from the natural resources available in Africa to the beliefs and cultures of the people. This is how some antique African art makes its way onto the world market. It is bought for pennies from people who are taught to devalue their own culture and buy into Western ways of thinking, then it is sold on the world market from places like Brussels, Amsterdam, Paris, New York and London at a premium, with the majority of the profits going to Westerners.

As a result of Western greed and power, many indigenous West African cultures and religions are waning, including many of the belief systems that are the progenitors of ATR descended religions that are now practiced in the West, like Lucumi, Santeria, Palo, Vodun, etc. As the descendants of the slaves who brought these traditions from Africa turn to them for healing but encounter Westerners who have changed the skin color of their ancestors' gods or who say that there is nothing African about these religions, where are they supposed to turn for healing and validation? If the pots of the orisha in Africa that gave birth to those in the West disappear as a result of the encroachment of Western hegemony, what will become of the ability to trace and validate the origins of these traditions? What will become of the orisha who cannot be found or given in the West because knowledge of them was lost as a result of slavery or persecution? Will they disappear forever? And where will African descended people be able to turn for validation of their ancestral beliefs if those beliefs are replaced by Western religions and ideas? What will happen if the source pots and priests in Africa can't or don't survive the attacks they are currently under?

As people in the West argue about the origins of the various ATR belief systems and religions, the religions themselves are being slowly destroyed at their source. Is it any wonder that so many in this religion, particularly those who are black or people of color, feel they are under attack, not listened to, and not validated?

-AfroKin

The text of the article in the link above follows, just in case the link itself breaks or moves at some point in the future.

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Christianity Vs. the Old Gods of Nigeria
George Osodi / AP

By DULUE MBACHU

Updated: 1:19 p.m. ET Sept 4, 2007

ACHINA, Nigeria - Born to a family of traditional priests, Ibe Nwigwe converted to Christianity as a boy. Under the sway of born-again fervor as a man, he gathered the paraphernalia of ancestral worship _ a centuries-old stool, a metal staff with a wooden handle and the carved figure of a god _ and burned them as his pastor watched.

"I had experienced a series of misfortunes and my pastor told me it was because I had not completely broken the covenant with my ancestral idols," the 52-year-old Nwigwe said of the bonfire three years ago. "Now that I have done that, I hope I will be truly liberated."

Generations ago, European colonists and Christian missionaries looted Africa's ancient treasures. Now, Pentecostal Christian evangelists _ most of them Africans _ are helping wipe out remaining traces of how Africans once worked, played and prayed.

As poverty deepened in Nigeria from the mid-1980s, Pentecostal Christian church membership surged. The new faithful found comfort in preachers like evangelist Uma Ukpai who promised material success was next to godliness. He has boasted of overseeing the destruction of more than 100 shrines in one district in December 2005 alone.

Achina is typical of towns and villages in the ethnic Igbo-dominated Christian belt of southeastern Nigeria where this new Christian fundamentalism is evident. The old gods are being linked to the devil, and preachers are urging not only their rejection, but their destruction.

The Ezeokolo, the main shrine of Achina _ a community of mainly farmers and traders in Nigeria's rain forest belt _ has been repeatedly looted of its carved god figures. While no one has been caught, suspects range from people acting on Christian impulses to treasure thieves.

Recently, a village civic association volunteered to build a house to keep burglars away from a giant wooden gong decorated with carved male, female and snake figures. The gong in the market square is reputed to be more than 400 years old, and in decades past was sounded in times of emergency.

"We feared it may be stolen or destroyed like so many of our traditional cultural symbols," said Chuma Ezenwa, a Lagos-based lawyer.

But the move to protect a communal symbol has not changed the minds of others.

Ikechukwu Nzekwe, a 48-year-old farmer who belongs to a traditional masquerade cult, rues the action of his younger brother, a born-again Christian who destroyed the family's masquerade costume, including pieces dating back seven generations.

The masquerade cult was once part theater, appearing at festivals to perform songs and dances, and part traditional police _ its members helped enforce mores and customs. Now its role is largely restricted to theater, including performances and races by men in costumes depicting ancestral spirits.

Ukpai, the evangelist, tells followers the artifacts bear "curses and covenants" linked to the gods they represent.

"Since the curses and covenants do not automatically disappear when we repent, Rev. Dr. Uma Ukpai is a man called by God for the total liberation of mankind," he says on his Web site, claiming to have the spiritual backing of Jesus to break the curses.

Efforts to speak to Ukpai were unsuccessful, and e-mails to his office asking for an interview received no reply.

Early missionaries to Nigeria condemned most traditional practices as pagan. Roman Catholics and Anglicans later came to terms with most practices, even incorporating some traditional dances into church liturgy. But there was no room for local gods once their erstwhile worshippers became Christians.

Similarly, Muslim preachers in Nigeria's predominantly Islamic north forbade interaction with figures dedicated to local idols, although many cultural dances featuring traditional masks are still tolerated.

Most converts are in constant tension over how much of the old beliefs can be incorporated into their new faith, said Isidore Uzoatu, a specialist in the history of Christianity in Africa affiliated with Nnamdi Azikiwe University in southeastern Nigeria.

"Where the older Catholic and Anglican denominations are more tolerant, the Pentecostals reflect more strictly the idea of a jealous God that would brook no rival," said Uzoatu.

The changing attitudes have not escaped the attention of art dealers.

"This work you see here is from a shrine. It was brought to me by one woman who said her pastor had asked her to get rid of it," said Wahid Mumuni, a dealer at Ikoyi Hotel in Lagos, gesturing toward a carving.

Mumuni said the price was the equivalent of $1,500 and he expected a European visitor to take it away soon.

The National Commission for Museums and Monuments, which is responsible for protecting the country's cultural antiquities, has responded with a sensitization campaign.

"We are ... telling the Christians that they can't detach themselves from their past, that there is a beginning to their history," said Omotosho Eluyemi, a senior commission official.

The commission urges those who do not want to keep sacred objects to take them to local chiefs. It also seeks stricter enforcement of the law prohibiting export of artifacts.

Okwy Achor, an archaeologist, fears the government's response has been weak compared to the fervor of the evangelists.

Achina is part of the region where famed Igbo-Ukwu bronzes were discovered in a private compound in 1958. Older and more sophisticated than the better-known Benin and Ife bronzes, the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes date to between the 8th and 10th centuries and provide proof that a unique form of metallurgy evolved in Nigeria.

While Achina had few Christians 60 years ago, they now constitute more than 95 percent, says Emmanuel Eze, a retired teacher.

"There is hardly anyone around these days to speak up for tradition," said Eze.

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Babalawo or no Babalawo

Jeffrey — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:48:30 GMT

My friend jim made ocha in a house Run by a Babalawo, he was telling me that it was the only way to truly make ocha. I was wondering what the benifits and draw backs were about having a Babalawo head a house. I know that in Afolabi's house we don't use a Babalawo.

Just hoping that someone will be able to let me know why some say yes to having a Babalawo and others refuse to have a Babalawo. I know that Babalawo's are the ones who say that only they can tell a persons true head.

Any thoughts. Help me with this please

Blessings,
Jeffrey Harris

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La Madama

Nutmeg — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:43 GMT

Greetings to Everyone,

I would like to know if anyone could tell me or refer me to a text that explains who exactly La Madama is. I was told to keep her in my home for protection and for tough situation solving. I started with a small statue and have since made my own. I was a dream that urged me to make my own. I must say, that requesting her assistance has always resulted with the truth being told or shown to me quickly. La Madama does not fool around. But I have always had trouble finding history about her. Could someone please help me?
Blessings
Nutmeg

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Rogations

Samantha — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:34:11 GMT

I was taught to do rogations with the person sleeping on the ground that night, but I've met people who sleep in a bed, like normal. Anyone have an opinion about what works better & why?

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santero/santera in the SF Bay area URGENT

vic — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:29:33 GMT

Just moved from overseas, and I'm looking for someone serious.Please email me. I need someone who is effcicient and quick. Need some work done, Please do not be offended if I ask for references as I have just been scammed by a banned palero,and do not wish to repeat this unfortunate experiment.
Thanks
Vic

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Letra del Ano 2008

Eshu — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:05:43 GMT

Does anyone know of a good website for a detailed discussion of the Letter of the Year 2008 (Letra del Ano 2008)? Priests in New York and Miami offer an annual yearly forecast and I want to learn what they are predicting for 2008...

Eshu

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New Year

Gamo — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:31:04 GMT

This the time to review expand our commitment to our personal goals, Spiritual and Material.. Renew refresh our relation with our Ori and Orixa.. This is what Maria de Oxala transmitted on another list..
I asked for Strenght…the Orisa gave me Difficulties so I could
become strong
I asked for Wisdom…the Orisa gave me Problems to solve.
I asked for Prosperity…the Orisa gave me Brains to work with.
I asked for Courage…the Orisa gave me Danger to overcome.
I asked for Love…the Orisa gave me people with Problems to help out.
I asked for Favors…the Orisa gave me Opportunities.

I did not receive anything of what I asked…but I did receive all
that I needed. The Orisa is beautiful, that is why I believe every day
in a better day. " (author unknown)

Love to all Gamo de Xango

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uses for elkes

Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:35 GMT

Having just received my elekes, I was told that apart from wearing them. I could pray with the elekes.

Is this tru, how does one pray with the elekes and are there any other uses for the elekes.

Much thanks

x

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Dance Schools in Cuba

zoela_dubnikova — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:52:11 GMT

Can anyone recommend good dance schools or teachers in Cuba? I am especially interested in Afro-Cuban, dances of the orishas, any sacred Cuban dance forms... muchas gracias.

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Mama Yeye ..one of Osun's Roads ?

Odokemi — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:27:19 GMT

Does anyone have information on the road of Osun called Mama Yeye?

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Race as a barrier to faith...something I never thought of

Afro — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:51:29 GMT

I came across this poem and essay on oyansoro.com and was deeply moved by the issues it raised regarding how race can influence one's personal spiritual beliefs, and the strength of one's individual faith. I have taken it for granted that the Orisha traditions of West Africa have the innate power to heal all people, particularly people of black West African descent living in the white supremacist societies of the diaspora, of the emotional and psychological wounds that can develop as a result of living with all forms of racism: institutional, structural, subtle, nuanced and blatant. I have also taken it for granted that before there can be any healing, those in need of healing must have faith. If you are black or a person of color and suffer from self hatred or low self esteem as a result of your experience living within white supremacist paradigms, faith in the ancient beliefs of black West Africans may be difficult, perhaps even impossible, to develop. This essay helped me to undersand more fully how racism pervades every aspect of life in white supremacist societies, even religion, on the most fundamentally personal level. As a restult there are people, some of whom actually practice the Orisha traditions, who have difficulties and doubts accepting the Orisha as bearers of truth and healing simply because the Orisha are African in origin. That includes some people of black African descent.

Here it is, undedited:

"Wanted: APSWV (African Persons
Seeking White Validation) -
Only Honest Respondents Need Apply…"

By Iyawo Sango (Dara Cooper)

"OurSelves"

Our selves.
Pushin' babies outta ourselves.
Hopin'…wishin'…
They be lighta whita than ourselves.
Hopin' they be betta
and they hair be straighta…
than ourselves.
'Cuz them, they ice be colder
and they get more rewards.
'Cuz us, our struggle be harder
and we get treated with no regard.
So we work harder…
act harder…
pray harder…
to be
Anything but…
Anybody but…
Everybody…Everything but…
Ourselves.

Our ancestors would be pleased.

I have an issue. It is an issue that has uninvitingly pervaded my self perhaps since birth. It is an issue I would gamble to say that many — if not all — displaced Africans living in America and throughout the Diaspora can relate. The issue — esteem. Delving through mounds of only-god-knows-what controlled information, I often find myself searching for means to uncover basic truths — about us and our importance. Through the eyes of mine own. The issue more specifically and very frankly: I have a constant battle questioning the "primitive" nature and relative importance of Yoruba culture. Off and on, bouts of insecurity creep through, forcing me to question if this practice is either important or outdated. Or maybe out of context. You know, the typical white-western-scientific questioning of whether it can be proven — in order to exist or be important. Whether inanimate objects could be a god: It's a pot, for heavens sake. Or the other typical white-western-scientific downplaying of traditional folklore as primitive, meaningless mythology: I'm sure these people just didn't understand the scientific nature of rain or thunder and created a god to explain it. Surely. They just didn't get it. After all, Yoruba — or African culture, period — was not included in world studies. So, like the tree falling in the woods, if no one sees or hears it, does it exist?

The reason I am writing about this is 1) writing has always been my solace for working through issues and 2) an article I just read that I felt validated something my Spirit taught me quite a while ago. But I didn't really believe it until they said it. The article was entitled "the Secret Mind: How your Unconscious Really Shapes your Decisions" and was in the February 28th edition of U.S. News & World Report discussing primarily how "we are conscious of only 5% of our cognitive activity." According to the article, our sense of smell is unlike any other sense in that it doesn't stop at the thalamus, and instead goes unfiltered straight to the prefrontal cortex creating much more intensity than the other senses. It goes on to say, "we are learning…that smell is a good window into the unconscious basis for sociability and social interests." My immediate response to the article: my feelings had finally been validated. When I first became an Iyawo, my ase would give me advice. The main one I remember was to hold my breath as someone walked by. Not for everyone, just certain people, to protect myself and cut them off. "Don't breathe them in" is what I was told. And I would not. Now I must go off into a quick tangent and say a great part of me would say, "I'm tripping, nothing even happened to me!" And of course it didn't, I did what I was told to do. What if I didn't — I persistently wonder, seeking a way to prove this, reminding me of the oracle in the Matrix warning Neo about knocking over the vase. Without the warning, would he have? Would I?

Anyway, the shame in this is that I felt my questioning was answered and my ase validated when white-western-science said so. Smell is important — they say. And I realize I believe anything but…everybody but…my African self. And I choose to correct this. Now.

And now with this lens, back to the article. It focused on how much goes on in the other 95% of our minds — our subconscious and we are — well they are— unaware of what is happening. And as I write, I have just discovered the brilliance of our predecessors and guides. We know about that other 95% and it is our mission, in the Yoruba culture, to go beyond that 5%. Way beyond. As I breezed through this rather interesting article, I realize our "primitive" selves, our "primitive" ancestors are and were much more advanced than those well-to-do white-western-science people any day. They couldn't even come to a conclusion within this article other than a "we're on to something big" type of ending. Our ancestors been there and done that a looong time ago.

As orisha/Ifa children, we're taught at the onset to monitor all of our mind. Every thought. We know that everything that enters us isn't us. And it ain't always for us. We know that. So, unlike many other cultures, we protect our ori and are watchful of that which enters it. We block, protect, cover and shield to prevent. And with the onset of unwanted stuff, we divine, discard, cleanse, wash, and pray out that uninvited stuff. We know there are other facets to our consciousness every time our mediums move in and out of trance. Every time we are intimate with our internal deity. Every time our ase speaks, and we divine to confirm. Heck, ase alone. And this is just from an Iyawo's beginning knowledge of the mysteries of Yoruba. I'm sure priests, priestesses, and Awos, can "amen" this and testify that there is much, much more to the "mysteries" of human life.

And in time, it appears, the world will catch up. But does it matter? The tree still exists without any validation from human ears or sight. And in the meantime, we work harder, be harder, and pray harder to be…proud to be our great African selves. Uplifting the world with our powerful ase and needing only our own validation to maintain our tremendous existence. Making our ancestors proud…and the world a much better place to be.
May it be so. Ase.

Iyawo Alaba Sango can be reached at drcooper99@msn.com.

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witch's salt

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:09:02 GMT

Can anyone tell me what black witches salt is? what makes it black and what is in it? many thanks in light and love

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Columbus, Ohio

Shawn — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:32:24 GMT

Hi,

I just moved from Chicago to Columbus, Ohio. I am looking for an active lukumi community here in Columbus. Does anyone have contacts that they would be willing to share?

thanks,

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Oshun Ibu Odoko

Elaine — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:53:50 GMT

Greetings!

Anyone have any information or input on the aspect of Ochun known as "Oshun Ibu Odoko" (aka Ibu O'doko, Ibu Doko), including general description(s), patakis, bead patterns, etc.

Thank you.

Elaine

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Washington, D.C.

Elaine — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:44:17 GMT

Greetings, All!

I'm moving next month from Alaska to Washington, D.C. and would like to make contact with other Santeria folks there. I already am acquainted with Eloy and Fanny Hernadez, and will be contacting them once I get settled, but are there any other recommendations out there?

(BTW -- I'm not looking to join a new ile; I'm looking to make new friends and have an opportunity to be more involved in the religion after seven years of living in Alaska!)

My personal email address is whslwalker@aol.com.

Thank you!

Ire,

Elaine

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First consultation

SH — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:48:28 GMT

I am new to this site and am looking for information...

I am getting my first consultation with a babalawo next week. I thought it was going to be only a couple of hours to find out what direction I should be taking (destiny). He explained to me that I should be prepared for 3 days and not to bother going if I am thinking of going partying...lol (I need to travel to another city to see him). I had no intention of partying!!! I am just wondering if someone could clarify for me what is going to happen during those three days. I was told when I first inquired that usually the first consultation is only a reading. After I explained my situation to the babalawo he told me to be prepared for 3 DAYS. I am nervous and I would like some insight.

Thank you very much for your time.

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The effects of Pimienta Ginnea

Elemirion — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:14:46 GMT

I was told by my godfather that one should never spill Ginea pepper on the floor without immediately cleaning it up. That it is a horrible curse on the place where this happens.
He also said that the lifting that curse is complex and that he himself didn't know what was entailed.

So I am asking the community. Any ideas anyone?

What would happen to such a place if it was spilled and ground into the floors/carpets, how would one go about getting it cleaned?

Would such a curse follow one around even after they have moved from the place it was spilled? if so how would one get it cleaned off?

Any help would be very apprecieated.

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Yemaya

SH — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:53:46 GMT

I was wondering what are the general characteristics of the children of Yemaya. I have read a few posts here making reference that her children are a little "wild"..lol... I was hoping to get some clarification if possible.. :) Thank you.

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Priest in austin texas

tim — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:58:18 GMT

Hi,
I have a friend that moved here from New Jersey and he has not been able to find babalawos in Austin texas.
Honestly we have been told by the botanticas that there are very few people here in Austin or Austin area. He is crowned Obatala 5 years and is looking
for a high priest for some assistance. If not in Austin, would anyone know of highly respectable that they could suggest from the surrounding area.

Also we have been looking for additional mediums for a misa.

Thank You

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Spiritual Writers Contest

rootwomin — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:58:30 GMT

Greetings,

In honor of the 7th Annual Community Ancestral Feast hosted by Forces of Nature Metaphysical and Spiritual Center of Seattle, WA ,SpiritMovin, a group dedicated to writings related to african and native spirituality, is holding a contest for writing that relates how your Ancestors have helped you to overcome adversity, protected you, or warned you of an impending situation that required your attention.

You may submit up to 3 entries, none to exceed 1000 words.

To enter go to this link:

www.writerscafe.org/contests/2768/

Live Peacefully,
Forces of Nature Metaphysical and Spiritual Center
Seattle WA

www.fonspiritualcenter.org

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Olo Lordi

tim — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:00:11 GMT

Hi I was hoping someone could give me some information about Olo Lordi.

Thanks

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The Color of Honey: Oshun, Beauty and Race in the Lucumi Religion

Afro — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:17:16 GMT

This was originally posted on my Myspace and Mysanteria pages. Where it stimulated some much needed dialogue. In the interest of first expressing my opinion, and second, opening the doors for more dialogue, I am posting it here as well. It is not meant to offend, but merely to express my strong feelings and concerns about the issues of color and race as they relate to the Afro Caribbean Religion which I practice. I realize that both color and race are social constructs, but that does not change the fact that they are very real issues of concern in American society, indeed in the world, which have far reaching implications regarding self-esteem and self-affirmation. Modupe and ashe.

Original post:

I recently came across a Lucumi pataki (fable) from Cuba about Oshun, the Orisha of beauty, sensuality, and luxury that gave me serious pause for thought regarding the issues of color and race in the religion.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Lucumi religious belief system, of which I am a devotee, here is a little background:

Lucumi or Lukumi is a term that refers to an archaic dialect of the Yoruba people who hail from the southwestern corner of present day Nigeria. The term also refers to the people who spoke this dialect, especially those who hailed from the Yoruba city state of Oyo and its environs, who were removed from their land and culture in Africa and brought to the Americas as slaves. Finally, the term refers to one of the many syncretic religions created in Latin America and the Caribbean that is based on the West African religion of Ifa (eefa) brought to the western and southern hemispheres by the imported black slaves taken from the Yoruba ethnic group of present day Nigeria. Those who survived the Middle Passage carried with them their religious beliefs, including a belief in one God and His emissaries, known as Orishas, along with a tradition of worship and a system for communion with these Orishas and the communal spirit of the ancestors. Some of the slaves who landed in the Caribbean, Central and South America were nominally converted to Christianity. However, those who were converted to Christianity in largely Catholic colonies of the New World were able to preserve some of their traditions by fusing together various Dahomean, baKongo (Congo) and Yoruba beliefs and rituals and by syncretizing these with elements from the surrounding Catholic culture. In Cuba, where the slaves masked their devotion to the Orishas by syncretizing them with Catholic saints, this religious tradition has evolved into what is now referred to as Santeria, or "the way of the Saints". Lucumi is Santeria, minus the Catholic saints, since there is no longer a need to hide the Orishas. It is the Afro-Caribbean religion of my black West Indian ancestors.

Contrary to its negative portrayal in the ignorant but powerful American media, Lucumi is not black magic, devil worship, or hoodoo. It is a complex and beautiful system of worship and communion with Spirit and nature. Today hundreds of thousands of Americans participate in this ancient religion whose origins are shrouded in the mysteries of a primordial African past. Some are fully committed priests and priestesses, others are "godchildren" or members of a particular house-tradition. Some are clients seeking help with their everyday problems. Many are of Latino and Caribbean descent, but as the religion moves out of the inner cities and into the suburbs a growing number are of African-American and European-American heritage. As the Ifá religion of Africa was recreated in the Americas it was transformed. Today as it moves into mainstream America we can expect further transformation. However, regardless of who they are, what language they speak or where they come from, Orisha devotees today need to understand and recognize that all Orisha based religions, syncretized or not, were developed in ancient black Africa and practiced by black Africans with black African sensibilities, perspectives and views long before non-Africans had ever heard of the Orisha

I feel very strongly about this, not only because I am a man of black African and Caribbean decent, but because this is the religion of my black ancestors who struggled and fought against insurmountable odds to ensure its survival in order for me and others like me to worship the Orisha and claim them as an important part of our ancestral, philosophical and spiritual legacy. The system of Orisha and ancestral devotion embodied by Lucumi represents thousands of years of intellectual and philosohpical advancement, development and discovery by black Africans, as well as hundreds of years of struggle against racism and persecution by black West Indian slaves and their descendants.

An important part of the religion are what are called "Patakis" or tales about the Orishas that impart wisdom, knowledge, and help to define the morals, ethics and aesthetics of the religion. The Patakis are important because they offer a glimpse into the worldview of the Yoruba and the Lucumi, including their views on beauty. To the Yoruba, physical beauty in people was embodied by dark, smooth skin, which was symbolized in their famous and highly prized bronze art, particularly the royal art of the Yoruba city state of Benin. To the Yoruba, and their Lucumi descendants, bronze represented the highest standard of human beauty. As it aged, the bronze in their statues and busts of kings, queens and priests grew darker, and when it was viewed by candle light, it glowed with a life like quality reminiscent of warm human skin. The Yoruba were not ashamed of their darkness, in fact they prized and worshiped it. Bronze is also associated with the Yoruba Orisha of beauty, sensuality, luxury and wealth known as Oshun. Because she enjoys the sweet things in life she is closely associated with honey- the golden sweet food that never rots or spoils. Without exception in Yorubaland Oshun is described as being beautiful in a very classically African way. She has large breasts, large hips and smooth, black skin. Her large, robust and dark frame is considered highly sensual and sexually appealing to the people who have admired and sought her guidance on matters of love and child rearing for thousands of years.

However, in the Americas, Oshun has taken on an appearance among some Orisha devotees that I find disturbing. It seems that during her journey across time and space from Africa, some have transformed her into something that couldn't be further removed from the African aesthetic of beauty. Oshun has, like almost all things black and African, been transformed to reflect white, European standards. In a pataki that is not found anywhere in Africa, but that is quoted and referred to in Cuba, Oshun is said to have lightened her skin and straightened her hair in order to travel to and communicate with her devotees in the New World. Three things strike me as being rather curious about this story. First, why would a representative of God have to change to appeal to human beings? Second, why is this Pataki only found in Cuba and not Africa, even though white and other non-black people have been receiving initiations in Africa for decades? And third, why was the only Orisha whose physical appearance changed in the Americas the one who represents and reflects the beauty of the black Africans who first practiced this religion? However the Orishas may choose to appear to individuals in dreams or visions is one thing, but how human beings of lighter hues choose to misrepresent the appearance of the black gods of my ancestors to the rest of the world is something else altogether. In other words, if Oshun chooses to appear with light skin in a dream to a devotee in order to communicate a specific message and to serve her purposes, that is her choice as an emissary of God. But her appearance in that specific dream to that specific individual does not change the fact that Oshun's essence, origins and appearance are all very much black. Though she may have appeared with light skin for a few minutes in a dream to someone, she was dark skinned for thousands of years prior to that and continues to be black when that dream ends.

When black people are asked or choose to worship Jesus, Mohamed, Moses, and Buddha, there is never any expectation by those who invite or convert them to worship that these emissaries of God and Spirit will cease to be anything but representatives of the nationalities and ethnic groups who first worshipped them. Jesus is expected to remain Jewish, regardless of who worships him. Mohamed is expected to remain Arabian, no matter who follows his principles, and Buddha is expected to remain Asian, no matter who chants or meditates in his name. None of the "major" religions have emissaries that change their race or ethnicity to accomodate black people, so why is it that when white people worship black spiritual emissaries they give themselves license to create God in their own white image without giving it a thought? All of the Orishas have been black for thousands of years in Africa. Why now that they have been discovered by whites, is even one of them having their physical appearance changed? Ifa is a universal belief system, and as a result its truths speak to people of all colors. However, it was created by black Africans, and that should be respected. If you are not black when you begin practicing this religion, the Orishas will not change your race in order to accept you. I don't think it is asking too much to expect the same in return. Black people in the Americas have had everything we love and need to survive taken from us- our African cultures, our languages, even our very bodies- leave our souls alone. The one thing that we still hold on to, and which, in my opinion, holds the keys to our salvation, is our African spiritual legacy and the self affirmation it holds. Here is where I draw a bright line in the sand. If you are not black in this religion, practice, learn and worship all you can, but please, show some respect and leave the black gods of my ancestors the way you found them, dark skin, nappy hair and all. This is not just a matter of mere aesthetics. For black people, this is a matter of self affirmation, respect, salvation and survival. Ashe.

Most sincerely,
AfroKin

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spirit slaves

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:21:36 GMT

hi tribe
i've been hanging out with a south american guy who said the other day that if i went overseas he would send a spirit slave to bring me back. yep yep he was joking but it's romantic nonetheless ;D anyway i said something about using lasirena or erzuli freda, and then we didn't discuss it again..
now i'm interested to know more.. but there's little information. i know in vodou of manipulating the bodies of dead people and having them do your will.. that's the closest thing i can think of.. do you know what a spirit slave is?
cait

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Shango -- human or not?

Elaine — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:26:49 GMT

Greetings!

I bring before you a topic of potential discussion and contemplation. Like many followers of the Santeria path, I have most commonly heard and read that Shango was a king of Oyo (some say the fourth king) who was deified as an orisha upon his death. But about a year ago I came across a book titled, "Yoruba-speaking peoples of the slave coast of west Africa; their religion, manners, customs, laws, language, etc.", by A.B. Ellis, published in 1894 (the complete text can be viewed at http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/yor/yor03.htm), which challenged what I had been led to believe.

In Chapter II: Chief Gods, section 5 (Shango), Ellis makes the following observation: "The foregoing are, with exception of the myth of the fiery chains, the old ideas respecting Shango; but on to them are now rapidly becoming grafted some later myths, which make Shango, an earthly king who afterwards became a god."

He proceeds to tell this new story, how Shango was king of Oyo, his cruelty that led the lesser chiefs to send him a message that suggested he "go to sleep" (i.e. commit suicide), how Shango fled instead and ultimately hung himself, and how the phrase "The king is not dead" came to be.

Ellis then comments: "Perhaps this myth really does refer to some former King of Oyo, though why such a king should usurp the functions of the thunder-god, is not at all clear. It is inconsisent in part, for it makes the chiefs and elders alarmed at the suicide of Shango, because they feared to be held responsible for his death; yet they would have been equally responsible had he complied with established custom, and committed suicide when he received the parrots' eggs they sent him. ..."As we have said, this myth is rapidly becoming blended with the older ones, and, in consequence of these events having taken place at Kuso, Shango has the title of Oba-Kuso, "King of Kuso".

A.B. Ellis wrote extensively about many of the tribal people of Africa. I found his work to be quite objective, in fact surprisingly so, considering the time period. I believe that he really was recording a new myth that had recently arisen regarding Shango, a myth that we now, over one hundred years later, repeat as "fact" about this orisha.

What are your thoughts?

Respectfully,

Elaine

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I am in an unusual situation - help

Victoria — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:27:25 GMT

I work as a psychiatric social worker in a maximum security prison. I have been approached by a prisoner who claims to be a Santeria high priest. He wants me to study under him. I want very much to begin to learn about Santeria, however I do not wish to break any prison rules or lose my job.

I need to find a Babalawo in upstate NY who is not a prisoner, so I can pursue my study legitimately...

Anyone able to point me in the correct direction? I live close to Ithaca, but could travel to Rochester or Syracuse...

Vicki

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Orisha Dance Workshop Chicago

Gamo — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:09:16 GMT

ORISHA SONG & DANCE WORKSHOP

Date:

Time:

Location:

Registration Fee:

Workshop Features:
Saturday, September 22, 2007
5:00PM - 8:00PM
M.A.D.D. Rhythms Dance Studio
7059 S. Shore Drive, Chicago, IL 60649
(in the basement of South Shore Cultural Center)
$51.75 Online (Ends September 21 @ 8:00 PM)
$60 @ the Door
50 minute lecture on Arara and Iyesa folkloric traditions
50 minute song class on Arara and Iyesa songs and
meanings
1 hour Dance Class on Arara and Iyesa movement

This event is sponsored in-part by the Crossroads Folkloric Arts Association
and the
M.A.D.D. Rhythms Dance Studio.
Workshop Description:
Join OrishÃ¡ FolklÃ³rico as we present a three (3) hour workshop on the
mythology, song and dance found within the religious life of Afro-Cuban traditions.
This workshop will emphasize folkloric and religious music and dance of
Arara and Iyesa traditions found in Cuba to date.
â€¢ Arara is a music and dance form that derived from the Fon and Eve culture
of Ghana, Togo and Dahomey (now known as Benin). Songs, rhythms and dance are
extremely sophisticated and are considered less Creolized that any other
Afro-Cuban tradition.

â€¢ Iyesa (Ijesa) is a sacred music and dance form found in Cuba and
originating with people from the Ijesa region of Northern Nigeria. The Iyesa has a
distinct musical style that has combined with unified rhythmic patterns.
This workshop will open with a 50 minute lecture on the history and
mythology of Arara and Iyesa forms/traditions, which provides participants valuable
information on the origins of these traditions as found in Cuba as well as
their practices today. In addition, the lecture will focus on the aesthetics
of song, rhythm and dance as they are linked with each other to embody sacred
gestures and commands.
Participants will then be introduced Arara and Iyesa praise poems in a 50
minute song class. Participants will learn praise poems and meanings, as well
as the relationship each has to dance and rhythm. We will then conclude this
workshop with a 1 hour dance class on Arara and Iyesa movements. Participants
will learn the basics of dance, characteristics for various movements given,
as well as dance patterns and body emphasis for a folkloric style
interpretation.
Attire: For the dance portion of this event, we ask that participants wear
proper attire that will allow free body movements. Such items include tank
leotards,tights and camisole dress or lapa for women and dance or jazz pants and
t-shirt for men. Please be comfortable.
To register, visit: _http://www.orishafo lklorico. com/FAW001_ workshop. aspx_
(http://www.orishafo lklorico. com/FAW001_ workshop. aspx) or email us at
_info@orishafolklor ico.com_ (mailto:info@orishafolklori co.com)

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A Tribe for Afrocentric Orisha Devotees

Afro — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:01:26 GMT

A place for Orisha devotees who, regardless of race, are interested in learning about, sharing, and incorporating the African ways of Orisha worship into their practice, whether those African ways are modern or ancient. This is also a place for Orisha devotees and others to learn about the culture, history and language of the Yoruba and other African ethnic groups.

http://tribes.tribe.net/afrocentricorishadevotees

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G.O.D.: New Tribe for Gay Orisha Devotees

Afro — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:27:24 GMT

Do you have G.O.D. in your life? Do you believe in G.O.D.? Are you a G.O.D. yourself? If so, there's a new tribe just for you! This is a place for Gay Orisha Devotees (G.O.D.'s) and those who care about them to share information, wisdom, knowledge, love and support as they engage in spiritual development, emotional evolution, social endeavors, and their professional lives in a safe, non-judgmental environment. This group is open to progressive, positive thinking people of all ages, races, nationalities, gender identities, colors, and sexual orientations who are committed to the worship of the orisha by all people, especially those of African descent, and who are engaged in orisha worship regardless of initiation level.

tribes.tribe.net/gayorishadevotees

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North Carolina

Ian — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:18:19 GMT

Does anyone know if there is an active Santeria/ Orisha community anywhere in NC? I started to learning a few years ago but forces intervened. I was hoping to find a new Padrino somewhere in the area to begin again.

Ashe!

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Introduction

Dantor — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:00:39 GMT

Alafia todos!

I just discovered TRIBE last night and am glad to become a part of it. I have a habit of lurking so thought I'd at least introduce myself to you guys first before I start chiming in later on threads, lol.

I am a Santero crowned Obatala and live in Miami. I'm looking forward to learning and sharing on this forum, and hopefully to make a few friends along the way.

love & light
Dantor

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Meaning of "born with a crown and septer"?

Justice — Wed, 23 May 2007 11:09:57 GMT

I had another question regarding if it comes out in a reading that a person was "born with a crown and septer, but right now is a queen without a crown", what does that mean?

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Oche Unle and Eight Five

Atketzalli — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:32:15 GMT

Bendicion!
I've had a couple of consultas recently and dont feel like I received all the answers to the many questions I've posed.
I know that on the first consulta I got an "Oche Unle" which is a 5 and an 8. I was told that this was about the story of Obatala touching Oshun inappropriately at a time when she thought he was her father.
The second consulta brought up an 8 and a 5. I was told the story of the Nun, Oya, and Olofi.
I recently had my first rogacion and got my eleke. I'm just starting to wet my feet in the ways of the Orisha path and all of this is at times confusing and overwhelming.

Both times I was asking about a love interest who was pursuing hard core but then became a bit distant and wanted to take things slow and be friends. Then despite his actions of courtship he said that we're just friends. I've tried to seperate myself from this individual because it seems we're not on the same page but he persists on being in my life.

I need clarity from someone willing to listen and interact with my questions and not just blurt out confusing information.

Atketzalli....Hija de Oshun

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Santeria resources in Colorado

sojourning_crow — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:36:41 GMT

I was looking to s/w someone who practices in Colorado. I had general ?'s. Any information is much appreciated.

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Meaning of "born with a star"?

Justice — Wed, 23 May 2007 11:08:05 GMT

I was wondering what it means if it comes out in a reading that someone is "born with a star?"

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unusual tools for orishas

Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:57 GMT

I just wanted to let you know that tools for the obscure Orishas such as Logun Ede, Idowu, Olosa, Agidai, Korikoto, Boromu, Yembo, fancy staffs for Erinle, Irawo, Ananagu, Iroko, Nana Buruku, twisted bracelets for Oshosi, Eruaye, harps for Ibu Aye, Ayao, Olosa, and the special tools for the individual roads of Yemoja, Oshun, and Obatala), are hard to find. My dad makes exquisite ones in sterling silver, gold, and brass. He also makes sterling tools for Yemoja and Obatala, and small crowns of sterling and brass for various roads of Obatala, Yemoja, and Oshun. So if anyone is looking for these please contact me and I'll give you a quote. He charges very reasonable prices 'cause he does it for the Orishas, rather than for the money.

He also makes Sterling bracelets for Obatala that do not tarnish and last forever. They are made from heavy Sterling Silver stock.

Write to me privately at shlomacyclonerosenberg@yahoo.com if you're interested.

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Why Osha is so dern expensive...

Kevyn — Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:13:18 GMT

Alafia everyone. I read this board sometimes and thought i would chime in. (Im one of Padrino Afolabi's (Scy's) minions...lol) Since there are talks of the costs of Osha I thought we could break it down so that people can actually SEE where all that money goes..I do think that every priest has a right to charge whatever they want though (within reason)..its THIER ashe, time and Orishas that are birthing the iyawo. But if they are taking advantage of thier godchild, they shouldnt bitch when that godchild leaves thier ass a few years later.

Just a break-down of Osha costs- in some places it will less and in some it will be more. These are Michigans prices..

Oriate fee : 800.00-1400.00 (they rarely take a "coupon")
Animals : about 800.00
Groceries: to feed EVERYONE for a week 1000.00
The Osha outfit -usually around 500.00 (some more..some less)
Pots, tools and misc: around 500.00
Derechos for everyone that walks in the door: add another 300.00 (unless there are arrangements head of time for charity cases)
Ita fees: about 200.00
Yubonna fee: 500.00 (they take time off off work for a week,babysit you and do the most work in an Osha. Maferefun your ayubonna!)
Fabric for the throne: about 300.00-500.00
The animal skinner : 300.00
The people who do the ashes: 100.00 (depends how many are helping..)
Derechos in "the room": about 200.00
Godparent fee: they should charge accordingly. I have YET to keep mine...lol
Electricity and house rental fees: The owner of the house where the Osha is done should definately receive something for the mess, use of utilities, etc.
Plane fees/Hotels: Yep here in Michigan thats a BIG cost. We fly elder peeps up from Miami and it can be very costly. So we can add another 1000.00 for that.
Plus there are usually many runs to the store for last minute stuff.

So thats over 6000.00 right there. It adds up QUICK. There are ways to make it cheaper, but not by much. If someone can tell me how and STILL make everyone happy, Id LOVE to know how ;)

Happy New year
Odofemi (Kevyn )

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Apetebii

soulbeauty25 — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:11:45 GMT

Does anyone know anything about becoming apetebii? According to my ita, I'm supposed to be one...what is it?....lol

Ase
Dre

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US Social Forum Atlanta

Gamo — Thu, 17 May 2007 12:25:36 GMT

Community Healing and Spiritual Practice Space
USSF Community Healing and Spiritual Practice Space (ALL GENDER)

For centuries, movements for justice and liberation have always included ritual, reflective and creative practices, healing and spiritual traditions. How do we honor and uphold these traditions within our social justice movements? How can we build new practices that connect us to our legacies of ancestors and liberation movements? How do we acknowledge that we are continually in a process of freeing and healing ourselves from the effects of oppression, violence, and injustice?

In light of this, we want to invite US Social Forum participants to build a communal space of healing and spiritual practice. We will be creating a space for reflective, healing & meditation practices for USSF participants to experience while attending the gathering. We are seeking volunteers who are interested in helping and/or are healing arts practitioners in reiki, massage, yoga, acupuncture/acupressure, energy and body work, dance, movement, somatics, art therapies, etc. and spiritual practices in prayer and meditation to help us hold this all gender space for the USSF community through the duration of the US Social Forum (June 27th – July 1st, 2007).

The space (location TBA) will include:

(a) a silent area that can be used for prayer, meditation and ritual
(b) an area that can be used for collective work in healing, reiki, massage, yoga etc
(c) a space for quiet conversation, dialogue, writing, art as reflective practice
(d) small break out spaces for individual healing work
(d) creating interfaith public ritual and community altars both indoors and outdoors

We invite you to help us integrate healing and spiritual pracitce as tools for transformation and social justice.

For more information please contact info@stonecircles.org

Please note that in order to participate as a healing practitioner in the healing space you must both REGISTER and contact info@stonecircles.org.

To return to the Healing Health and Environmental Justice page click HERE

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Introduction to Yoruba Religion Workshop in NYC!

Nefrem — Tue, 01 May 2007 20:15:24 GMT

Introduction to Yoruba Religion Workshop in NYC!
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
7-9pm

Interested in learning about the Yoruba Religion but don’t know where to start? Attend this informative workshop covering such topics such as:

• Fundamentals of Yoruba Religion: Basic Tenents
• Orisa: Sango, Oshun, Obatala, Oya, Osanyin, Eshu, Yemoja etc.
• Paths in the Orisa Religion: What are paths one can take in the Yoruba Religion?
• Divination: What are the different types of divination systems.
• Orisa Denomination: What are the different types of Orisa denominations?
• Steps to Becoming an Orisa Worshipper
• How to avoid being ripped off by priests of bad character?

The cost for this workshop will be $10 and will include supplemental study materials to be given to each attendee. To reserve your space send an email to olosayin@yahoo.com with your name, phone number and number of tickets you would like to reserve.

Location: South Oxford Space, 138 South Oxford Place, Brooklyn, NY.

Directions: Take the C train to Lafayette St. or the G train to Fulton St.

Reserve your spot now for seats are quickly filling up!

About the Presenter
Sangobukunmi Odushola is a Sango priest initiated into the Sango priesthood by Sangodele Ibuowo, the Elegun Sango of Koso, Oyo State, Nigeria. He has done extensive studies on Yoruba Religion and Erindilogun in Nigeria and America with various elders including Chief Adebisi Akanji. He is also a documentary filmmaker with ongoing documentary projects in Nigeria. He is currently under the tutelage of Baba Fakayode Faniyi, the Agbongbon Ifa of Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria.

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Interview Request on Orisha

Sea — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:11:23 GMT

Bendicion, Aboru, Aboye, and Alafia.

I am also a professor of sociology at Seton Hall University. As part of my work, my research, I am conducting interviews with those who have relationships with the Orisha. The interviews are confidential (no one will be told that you participated) and audio taped. I am doing the interviews in person and on the phone.

The interviews are for those who are at least 18 years old, consider themselves “Orisha worshippers” in some way or another – Santeras, Santeros, Babalawos, Aleyos, and those involved in Ifa, Orisha-Vodou, and Lukumi – and are involved with Orisha worship in the U.S. I am interested in gathering the stories of people who are completely new to the religion, those who have been practicing for many years, and people in-between. I am especially interested in interviewing people who did not grow up in Orisha worshipping families or communities and who have English as a primary language.

I am interested in hearing peoples’ stories about their relationships with the Orisha, how they are dealing with changes in the religion as a whole and in particular with issues of culture, gender and sexuality. The interview will take approximately 1-2 hours and – unless we can arrange something different -- will be conducted over the phone. The interviews will be tape-recorded but held securely in a manner that does not connect it with participants’ names. You will be encouraged to answer only those questions with which you are comfortable.

If you are interested in participating, please email me (I do not always check my tribe mail) and I will arrange to get you a formal consent form and brief questionnaire with more information on the interview project. I look forward to hearing from you.

C Lynn Carr
carrclyn@shu.edu

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Hey Look Denise is in the News!!!

Elemirion — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:40:37 GMT

I just ran accross this this morning! Looks really good.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6455559.stm

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How do you use the eggun

onelove — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:43:42 GMT

last night was my first time using my eggun but i did not hear them responding to the question that i had asked. R they suppose to?

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New York City?

starrykitten — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:08:46 GMT

Hi everyone!

I'll soon be in NYC for a few days. I have some botanicas listed to visit, but I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good priest, priestess, or or general conjure worker in the area. Thanks!

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Temple of Sound Release New Album in USA on May 8th 2007

neilsparkes — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:11:43 GMT

Temple of Sound Release New Album in USA on May 8th 2007
Temple of Sound sign with
Namaste Records/Koch Records

Temple of Sound release their fifth studio album "GlobalHead" on Namaste Records(A Division of The Machat Company)/Koch Records in the USA on May 8th 2007.
The album features 12 tracks written and produced by Neil Sparkes and Count Dubulah AKA Temple of Sound featuring guest appearances by Natacha Atlas, Jah Wobble, Ben Baddoo, Rizwan-Muazzam Qawwali, Abdullah Chhadeh and Hukwe Zawose.

Temple Of Sound are an internationally established production and performance duo at the forefront of dance, dub and world music.
The duo is comprised of Neil Sparkes - vocalist, percussionist, programmer, poet and painter; and Count Dubulah , guitarist , bass player, programmer and editor.
Together Sparkes and Dubulah (ex Transglobal Underground) helped create the style of Global Dance Groove and Mash Up that has become a world wide genre, embracing and developing World Music to become much in demand as musical collaborators, performers and producers.

Production work for a hitlist of World, Dance and Dub artists continues to push the barriers of World music forward . These include Natacha Atlas (Beggars Banquet), nominated for Best Album in World Music Awards 2007 and Los De Abajo (Real World).

"There is a palpable sense of excitement about Temple of Sound. They are buzzing with ideas and a sheer creativity that they are translating into great and innovative sounds. Temple of Sound are an unstoppable force at the cutting edge of global culture."
- Global Rhythm Magazine USA

Full Track Listing and Audio Tracks to Come Soon On MySpace!

www.myspace.com/neilsparkesandthelasttribe

www.myspace.com/templeofsound

www.myspace.com/loungeclash

www.myspace.com/benbadooneilsparkesbougarabou

www.templeofsound.co.uk

For additional info on the KOCH Records label and its roster of artists, please visit www.kochrecords.com

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Santeria in Toronto?

Morgan — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:18:03 GMT

I'm wondering if there are any Santeria practitioners in Toronto, Ontario? I've heard whispers but haven't got my hands on any solid leads yet.

Thanks,
~Morgan

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Question about Oya

Kamalasundri — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:59:49 GMT

I have been to two Osha where Oya was crowned. One recieved Yemaya and the other didn't. Which one is more common to recieve Yemaya when crowning or not.

Thank you,
Kamalasundri

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children of eleggua/eshu

papillon — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:33:52 GMT

alafia~

i work at a wilderness therapy camp in the mountains, with troubled youth - kids with drug problems, anger issues, adhd and the like; boys aged 11 - 17. some of them strike me immediately as children of eshu (my background is primarily ifa).

for example, one of them (who has manic fits) was running around the lodge where we eat meals together, sort of cleaning and sort of goofing off. i engaged him in conversation about the remodeling soon to occur in the lodge, and he said he thought it should be painted too. "what color would you paint it?" i asked. "red and black!" he screamed and ran off to hit something with a broom. i kid you not.

so i'm wondering if y'all have any recommendations for little things i could surreptitiously do to help cool them down a litte, balance them out. i can't get away with much, but could, for example, touch one of them on the head with some cool water on my fingertips, or clean their bed with a feather. stuff like that. i have no intentions of healing or fixing them, just hoping i can help a little bit for them to find balance while they learn what they need to learn at the camp.

ashe,

papillon

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African Vodoun

Seattle — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:55:28 GMT

Visit Our Website

http://www.vodouworld.com

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Birds?

Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:31:32 GMT

Hi there, I read a couple of the posts relating to ochun and birds? This intrigued me, because I dont know that much about the religion, but what set me on the path was that I started reading "The altar of my soul" By Marta Morena Vega and had a strong dream where one of my ancestors came to me and spoke to me. He was a Maori man (my mother is from New Zealand) and among other things, he told me he was "Hine Manu". In my dream I laughed because my maori is very non-existant and "hine" means woman or girl. Later I looked it up and discovered that Hine-Manu is the Goddess of the birds, and also a tribe is named after her (The Ngati Hine manu) so I dont know whether he was telling me his name or his tribe. (He may have been referring to his tribe because when I looked at the region that was the tribal lands, its on the west coast of the north island of new zealand, and in my dream there were volcanic black sand beaches, which are on the west coast. Technical point, I know...)
SInce I had never heard of the goddess hine-manu before, and hadnt heard about the significance of birds to ochun, could someone help me out here with some more information?

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any info would be great....

Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:53:20 GMT

Hi there,
Im looking for information on where to find a practicing santera, or teacher in Australia. Im in Melbourne at the moment, and would be pleased to share my story of what has led me to this path, if anyones is interested. (Although as Im new to this forum, I dont kow whether I should PM it to people individually rather than post on the site.) I have some specific questions for people who might be able to shed some light on some dreams Ive had (about ancestors that have turned up and another about a special ritual rhythm used in santeria) as I really dont have access to much information where I am. (Half my family is in south florida, but its going to be awhile until I get back there...so Im looking for contacts in Australia, or even on-line.)
I was advised by another online contact I spoke to, to get a reading, but I dont really know how to go about doing that. That was about all they could tell me, so Im asking here in the hopes someone here might know more.

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